Comments on: Battle over books https://alex.halavais.net/battle-over-books/ Things that interest me. Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:12:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: August https://alex.halavais.net/battle-over-books/comment-page-1/#comment-60085 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:30:18 +0000 http://alex.halavais.net/?p=1301#comment-60085 Just for the record, when I mentioned “moral rights”, what I’m referring to is (from wikipedia):

“Independently of the author’s economic rights, and even after the transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, mutilation or other modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the said work, which would be prejudicial to his honor or reputation.”

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By: admin https://alex.halavais.net/battle-over-books/comment-page-1/#comment-59534 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:19:13 +0000 http://alex.halavais.net/?p=1301#comment-59534 s stance on progress come into play with its censorship of searches in China. Are only Westerners to be granted access to this grand library?</i> Certainly an interesting question. I would have less trouble with them blocking the whole thing, than I would with them blocking only some books. For example, does anyone know whether the <a href="http://books.google.com/books?as_q=&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_brr=0&as_vt=&as_auth=hitler&as_pub=&as_drrb=c&as_miny=&as_maxy=&as_isbn=" rel="nofollow">collected letters of Hitler</a> would be legal in Germany? (It doesn't appear that Mein Kampf is there, though it is widely available elsewhere on the Web.) <i>4) The assumption is that authors transfer copyright to publishers; this is not necessarily so...</i> This was brought up by one of the discussants. Who has the commercial rights to the material doesn't particularly matter--fair use would still apply whether the work was "owned" by a publishing house or an individual author. <i>5) Finally, do we really want a private, for-profit corporation holding the keys to the largest warehouse of information (both public and private) in history based on no greater obligation than that of a handshake and the words “trust me”? </i> Leaving aside the second part of this, yes, I think this is a concern. Google's response: nobody is stopping others from doing it too. And Yahoo and Amazon (among others) are trying to do it too. Each group is doing so in partnership with non-profits and educational institutions. The academic libraries gain a copy of their own materials in electronic form.]]> 1) Is this “opt-out” approach to books suitable for other media? …

The whole “opt-out” thing is a dead end. Google argued that they were under no legal obligation to offer this, they were just trying to play nice. Since it doesn’t make publishers happy, I’m not sure why they offers it. Seems to weaken their case.

2) Where do moral rights come into play…

That is what is directly at question here. On one side, many publishers and authors accept that they have the inalienable right to profit from their original work. Others question whether this monopoly really is a right at all (i.e., whether ideas can be owned). The answer is almost certainly somewhere in-between.

But the point here is that the legal questions mirror–or at least echo–the moral questions.

3) Where does Google’s stance on progress come into play with its censorship of searches in China. Are only Westerners to be granted access to this grand library?

Certainly an interesting question. I would have less trouble with them blocking the whole thing, than I would with them blocking only some books.

For example, does anyone know whether the collected letters of Hitler would be legal in Germany? (It doesn’t appear that Mein Kampf is there, though it is widely available elsewhere on the Web.)

4) The assumption is that authors transfer copyright to publishers; this is not necessarily so…

This was brought up by one of the discussants. Who has the commercial rights to the material doesn’t particularly matter–fair use would still apply whether the work was “owned” by a publishing house or an individual author.

5) Finally, do we really want a private, for-profit corporation holding the keys to the largest warehouse of information (both public and private) in history based on no greater obligation than that of a handshake and the words “trust me”?

Leaving aside the second part of this, yes, I think this is a concern. Google’s response: nobody is stopping others from doing it too. And Yahoo and Amazon (among others) are trying to do it too. Each group is doing so in partnership with non-profits and educational institutions. The academic libraries gain a copy of their own materials in electronic form.

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By: August https://alex.halavais.net/battle-over-books/comment-page-1/#comment-59521 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:58:35 +0000 http://alex.halavais.net/?p=1301#comment-59521 I’m just curious how this scenario plays out…

1) Is this “opt-out” approach to books suitable for other media? If not, what makes books special? Should a band be forced to “opt-out” every time a corporation wants to use one of its pieces in a television commercial? What is more feasible for the law to cover, is what I’m really getting at: should a copyright holder be forced to monitor any and all media traffic in order to “opt-out” of any use they do not approve of? Or does it make more sense to assume that the rights are protected and force the person desiring to use/licence the work determine if they are permitted to do so? If I release an album, will it be my responsibility to contact every business with enough money to use a song from that album in a television ad, a film, or to distribute parts of it online as part of a “music library” and tell them individual yes, no, or to what extent they can use it? Or is it more logical (and easier to legislate/enforce) to have them simply come to me and ask?

2) Where do moral rights come into play (I know these are things not entirely recognized by the United States, but the United States does not control the Internet, no matter how much they may wish to believe otherwise; authors from England and Canada and Germany will also be affected and audiences in those nations will conceivably also have access)? I have heard about plans involving targeted advertising; will an author writing about ocean conservation have the right to object if an advertisement for wholesale frozen fish-sticks is placed in prominent relation to his work? And will it be his responsibility to monitor the standards of Google’s advertising program and object to every of the millions (or more) possible combinations of advertisements that Google may produce at any given second? Is such a thing feasible? Should the author have any input at all into the context in which his work is displayed, or does Google have the exclusive right to an opinion in this case as well?

3) Where does Google’s stance on progress come into play with its censorship of searches in China. Are only Westerners to be granted access to this grand library?

4) The assumption is that authors transfer copyright to publishers; this is not necessarily so. Often it is simply a case of licencing distribution in certain formats and (geographical) markets, *including* digital markets. Does this action taken by Google invalidate contracts between authors and publishers for exclusive digital distrobution (in whole or in part)?

5) Finally, do we really want a private, for-profit corporation holding the keys to the largest warehouse of information (both public and private) in history based on no greater obligation than that of a handshake and the words “trust me”? (Was there not, at some point in the early days of Gmail, an issue about Google’s TOS granting them the right to archive private correspondence long after it has been “destroyed” by the author, and even to give out personal information if it believes it necessary? Does that really engender trust? Do we want *that* corporation – or any corporation – controlling that much information?)

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By: joe https://alex.halavais.net/battle-over-books/comment-page-1/#comment-5405 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:55:33 +0000 http://alex.halavais.net/?p=1301#comment-5405 Great post… It’s so easy for so much to be lost or misrepresented in this debate (see: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5020954 for example).

However, I’m not sure I take your point about only needing the word frequency “thumbprints”… what if Google wanted to incorporate more powerful search indexing or operators in the future (such as the Lexis w/n operator that finds words withing n words of each other). Unless I’m missing something, and I frequently am, word frequency information wouldn’t be enough… and damn if it wouldn’t be a pain in the ass to do the scanning again!

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